Just wondering about Out of State Elk hunters.

D Winkler · 02-13-2009

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Originally Posted by birdman

If herd increases, they won't drop the price, they'll allot more tags in the limited draw areas.

Right, but the whole argument is that hunters won't be willing to buy the tags. If this is the case then what good would increasing avaliable tag numbers do?

birdman · 02-13-2009

They would be effectively increasing the number of tags in "LIMITED AREAS". If you know anything about lottery systems, you would know these areas have the highest probability for trophy animals. It's not that people aren't applying for these tags anyway. They apply for several years until they have enough preference points to draw out. If they aren't drawn out, their money is returned to them. Increase the number of licenses in these areas and the state gets to keep more money.

shortbus · 02-13-2009

The increase in the number of licenses in those areas would not amount to a significant revenue increase.

Darin is right. Supply and Demand. Demand for the tags goes down and you'll have to decrease the price. If tags go unfilled, the herd size increases. Now you have more animals and less tags being sold. That's a bad combination. Cut the price point and sales go back up and numbers go back down and everything is in check.

boltman13 · 03-10-2009

Your thesis that greater supply and decreased demand for out of state game tags is valad in a perfect economic model but the situation is not a perfect model. First, the tag is not usually the most expensive part of the total cost of the hunt. Second there is political pressure from Colorado hunters to pass on any increased cost to out of state hunters, not in state. This preasure can not be ignored by the DOW. Third the increasing elk population can be acomidated for several years by elk moving to new range, budget cuts in DOW, increased success by instate hunters. If other states with higher out of state fees were to start cutting fees and or increasing tags for out of state hunters then that might stimulate Colorado to follow suit. If the current situation were to continue for a longer period say over 5 years then I think we would see some significant change regarding tag fees for out of state hunters.

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birdman Administrator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Longmont, Co Posts: 638 Images: 12	They would be effectively increasing the number of tags in "LIMITED AREAS". If you know anything about lottery systems, you would know these areas have the highest probability for trophy animals. It's not that people aren't applying for these tags anyway. They apply for several years until they have enough preference points to draw out. If they aren't drawn out, their money is returned to them. Increase the number of licenses in these areas and the state gets to keep more money. __________________ "I don't care how or what you hunt or fish, I'm the outdoor equal opportunist"

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shortbus Administrator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 15,980 Images: 1	The increase in the number of licenses in those areas would not amount to a significant revenue increase. Darin is right. Supply and Demand. Demand for the tags goes down and you'll have to decrease the price. If tags go unfilled, the herd size increases. Now you have more animals and less tags being sold. That's a bad combination. Cut the price point and sales go back up and numbers go back down and everything is in check. __________________ Hunting and Fishing...what else is there?

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03-10-2009	#14 (permalink)
boltman13 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 23	Your thesis that greater supply and decreased demand for out of state game tags is valad in a perfect economic model but the situation is not a perfect model. First, the tag is not usually the most expensive part of the total cost of the hunt. Second there is political pressure from Colorado hunters to pass on any increased cost to out of state hunters, not in state. This preasure can not be ignored by the DOW. Third the increasing elk population can be acomidated for several years by elk moving to new range, budget cuts in DOW, increased success by instate hunters. If other states with higher out of state fees were to start cutting fees and or increasing tags for out of state hunters then that might stimulate Colorado to follow suit. If the current situation were to continue for a longer period say over 5 years then I think we would see some significant change regarding tag fees for out of state hunters.